User:Tingo/Floppy machines - Revision history

Tingo: /* Hardware */ correction: a floppy cable (be it "normal" or straight) has connectors with 34 pins, not 32 pins.

2018-08-26T12:25:53Z

Hardware: correction: a floppy cable (be it "normal" or straight) has connectors with 34 pins, not 32 pins.

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	* floppy drive: (external) Tandon TM848-2E, 8-inch, double sided, 48 tpi, 77 tracks per side, 360 rpm, data transfer 500k bits per second		* floppy drive: (external) Tandon TM848-2E, 8-inch, double sided, 48 tpi, 77 tracks per side, 360 rpm, data transfer 500k bits per second
	* other: FDADAP<ref>[http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html FDADAP]</ref> adapter, external 24 VDC power supply		* other: FDADAP<ref>[http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html FDADAP]</ref> adapter, external 24 VDC power supply
	The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.		The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 34-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.

	=== Software ===		=== Software ===

Tingo: /* Hardware */ better text for link

2018-08-12T13:20:17Z

Hardware: better text for link

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	=== Hardware ===		=== Hardware ===
	The hardware is		The hardware is
	* MSI Hermes 845GV<ref>[https://us.msi.com/Desktop/Hermes_845GV__Hermes_845GVLite.html]</ref>		* MSI Hermes 845GV<ref>[https://us.msi.com/Desktop/Hermes_845GV__Hermes_845GVLite.html MSI Hermes 845GV]</ref>
	* cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz		* cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
	* memory: 1024 MB (2 slots, 2 x 512MB DDR DIMM)		* memory: 1024 MB (2 slots, 2 x 512MB DDR DIMM)
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	* other: FDADAP<ref>[http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html FDADAP]</ref> adapter, external 24 VDC power supply		* other: FDADAP<ref>[http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html FDADAP]</ref> adapter, external 24 VDC power supply
	The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.		The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.

	=== Software ===		=== Software ===
	Operating system: FreeBSD i386, version 8.4-stable, from 2018		Operating system: FreeBSD i386, version 8.4-stable, from 2018

Tingo: /* History */ more entries for the 8 inch machine

2018-08-12T13:18:14Z

History: more entries for the 8 inch machine

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	; 2018-07-02 : 8 inch machine - I connected the Tandon TM848E to the machine, as only the floppy. I used the FDADAP and a 24V power supply, and took 5V from the machine. Cables - straight 50-pin between TM848E and FDADAP, straight 34-pin between FDADAP and floppy controller in computer. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.		; 2018-07-02 : 8 inch machine - I connected the Tandon TM848E to the machine, as only the floppy. I used the FDADAP and a 24V power supply, and took 5V from the machine. Cables - straight 50-pin between TM848E and FDADAP, straight 34-pin between FDADAP and floppy controller in computer. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.
			: 8 inch machine - I installed mtools<ref>[https://www.freshports.org/emulators/mtools/ mtools]</ref>, compiled '''ndfs''', then I tested reading a few ND format floppies.
	; 2018-07-01 : 8 inch machine - I started setting up the machine for the 8 inch floppy drive.		; 2018-07-01 : 8 inch machine - I started setting up the machine for the 8 inch floppy drive.
			: 8 inch machine - I upgraded FreeBSD on the machine to the latest '''FreeBSD 8.4-stable'''.
			<pre>
			tingo@kg-htpc$ uname -a
			FreeBSD kg-htpc.kg4.no 8.4-STABLE FreeBSD 8.4-STABLE #0 r335840: Sun Jul 1 19:46:09 CEST 2018 root@kg-htpc.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
			</pre>

	; 2011-09-26 : 5.25 inch machine - I upgraded the machine to '''FreeBSD 8.2-stable''', using csup and make world.		; 2011-09-26 : 5.25 inch machine - I upgraded the machine to '''FreeBSD 8.2-stable''', using csup and make world.

Tingo: /* History */ added entries for the 8 inch machine

2018-08-12T13:11:38Z

History: added entries for the 8 inch machine

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	== History ==		== History ==
	; 2018-08-11 : I created this page.		; 2018-08-11 : I created this page.

			; 2018-07-02 : 8 inch machine - I connected the Tandon TM848E to the machine, as only the floppy. I used the FDADAP and a 24V power supply, and took 5V from the machine. Cables - straight 50-pin between TM848E and FDADAP, straight 34-pin between FDADAP and floppy controller in computer. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.
			; 2018-07-01 : 8 inch machine - I started setting up the machine for the 8 inch floppy drive.

	; 2011-09-26 : 5.25 inch machine - I upgraded the machine to '''FreeBSD 8.2-stable''', using csup and make world.		; 2011-09-26 : 5.25 inch machine - I upgraded the machine to '''FreeBSD 8.2-stable''', using csup and make world.

Tingo: /* Using fdcontrol */ the 8-inch floppy machone only has one floppy drive

2018-08-11T19:49:27Z

Using fdcontrol: the 8-inch floppy machone only has one floppy drive

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	==== Using fdcontrol ====		==== Using fdcontrol ====
	Use fdcontrol to view the settings (note: you need a floppy in the drive for this to work!), as user '''root''' do <code>fdcontrol -vF ~~/dev/fd1</code> (or <code>~~/dev/fd0</code> ~~for the first floppy)~~		Use fdcontrol to view the settings (note: you need a floppy in the drive for this to work!), as user '''root''' do <code>fdcontrol -vF /dev/fd0</code>
	example		example
	<pre>		<pre>

Tingo: /* Usage */ added fdcontrol info - format 17b

2018-08-11T19:48:10Z

Usage: added fdcontrol info - format 17b

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	=== Usage ===		=== Usage ===
			I usually ssh into the machine after it is powered up, and do all my work from a shell.

			Workflow for reading a floppy
			* insert a floppy in the floppy drive
			* use '''fdcontrol''' to set correct format (every time after changing floppy in the drive)
			* (optional) use '''ndfs''' to check if the floppy is in a ND standard floppy format.
			* use '''dd''' to read floppy
			* transfer the image off the machine via '''scp'''<ref>[https://www.freebsd.org/cgi/man.cgi?query=scp scp(1)]</ref>.
			repeat until you have imaged all the floppies you want to image.

			The steps for writing are similar, but the order changes, and the direction changes for some of them. (Note: I haven't tried writing an 8-inch floppy yet)

			==== Using fdcontrol ====
			Use fdcontrol to view the settings (note: you need a floppy in the drive for this to work!), as user '''root''' do <code>fdcontrol -vF /dev/fd1</code> (or <code>/dev/fd0</code> for the first floppy)
			example
			<pre>
			root@kg-htpc# fdcontrol -vF /dev/fd0
			fdcontrol: open(/dev/fd0): Device not configured
			</pre>
			This is the usual response you get until you have set the correct format.

			Change to ND format 0b: as user root <code>fdcontrol -s 8,512,0xff,40,77,500,1,80,0,0,-mfm /dev/fd0</code> to verify:
			<pre>
			root@kg-htpc# fdcontrol -vF /dev/fd0
			/dev/fd0: 308 KB media type
			Format: 8,512,0xff,0x28,77,500,1,0x50,0,0,+auto
			Sector size: 512
			Sectors/track: 8
			Heads/cylinder: 1
			Cylinders/disk: 77
			Transfer rate: 500 kbps
			Sector gap: 40
			Format gap: 80
			Interleave: 0
			Side offset: 0
			Flags <AUTO>
			</pre>

			Change to ND format 17b: as user root <code>fdcontrol -f 1232 /dev/fd0</code>, verify
			<pre>
			root@kg-htpc# fdcontrol -vF /dev/fd0
			/dev/fd0: 1232 KB media type
			Format: 8,1024,0xff,0x35,77,500,2,0x74,1,0,+mfm
			Sector size: 1024
			Sectors/track: 8
			Heads/cylinder: 2
			Cylinders/disk: 77
			Transfer rate: 500 kbps
			Sector gap: 53
			Format gap: 116
			Interleave: 1
			Side offset: 0
			Flags <MFM>
			</pre>

	=== TestFDC results ===		=== TestFDC results ===

Tingo: /* Software */ operating system and other software

2018-08-11T19:38:48Z

Software: operating system and other software

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	The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.		The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.
	=== Software ===		=== Software ===
			Operating system: FreeBSD i386, version 8.4-stable, from 2018
			<pre>
			tingo@kg-htpc$ uname -a
			FreeBSD kg-htpc.kg4.no 8.4-STABLE FreeBSD 8.4-STABLE #0 r335840: Sun Jul 1 19:46:09 CEST 2018
			root@kg-htpc.kg4.no:/usr/obj/usr/src/sys/GENERIC i386
			</pre>

			The tools used are as for the 5.25 inch machine: fdcontrol, dd and ndfs.

	=== Usage ===		=== Usage ===

Tingo: /* Machine for 8 inch floppies */ written history starts in 2007, not 2008

2018-08-11T19:34:30Z

Machine for 8 inch floppies: written history starts in 2007, not 2008

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	== Machine for 8 inch floppies ==		== Machine for 8 inch floppies ==
	This is an old machine, I don't remember when I bought it, the earliest history I have written down is from ~~2008~~.		This is an old machine, I don't remember when I bought it, the earliest history I have written down is from 2007.

	=== Hardware ===		=== Hardware ===

Tingo: /* Machine for 8 inch floppies */ added TestFDC results

2018-08-11T19:33:07Z

Machine for 8 inch floppies: added TestFDC results

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 === Software ===
 === Usage ===
 == History ==

Tingo: /* Machine for 8 inch floppies */ described the hardware

2018-08-11T19:30:00Z

Machine for 8 inch floppies: described the hardware

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	== Machine for 8 inch floppies ==		== Machine for 8 inch floppies ==
			This is an old machine, I don't remember when I bought it, the earliest history I have written down is from 2008.

	=== Hardware ===		=== Hardware ===
			The hardware is
			* MSI Hermes 845GV<ref>[https://us.msi.com/Desktop/Hermes_845GV__Hermes_845GVLite.html]</ref>
			* cpu: Intel(R) Pentium(R) 4 CPU 2.66GHz
			* memory: 1024 MB (2 slots, 2 x 512MB DDR DIMM)
			* hard drive: ad0: 114498MB <SAMSUNG SP1213N TL100-24> at ata0-master UDMA100
			* network - wired: fxp0 - Intel 82801DB/DBL (ICH4/ICH4-L) PRO/100 VE Network Connection
			* floppy drive: (external) Tandon TM848-2E, 8-inch, double sided, 48 tpi, 77 tracks per side, 360 rpm, data transfer 500k bits per second
			* other: FDADAP<ref>[http://www.dbit.com/fdadap.html FDADAP]</ref> adapter, external 24 VDC power supply
			The floppy drive is connected to the FDADAP with a straight 50-pin cable, the FDAPAP is connected to the PC with a straight 32-pin cable. 24 V to the floppy drive from the external PSU, 5V from the PC. The floppy is set to 5.25 inch in BIOS.
	=== Software ===		=== Software ===
	=== Usage ===		=== Usage ===