Talk:ND-110 Satellite 9883.21005/Sintran start errors: Difference between revisions

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(Disk larger than image, so previous content at the end is expected)
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which doesn't seem to be from an ND disk. However, the very beginning looks like an ND disk (the first page of bytes) [[User:TArntsen|TArntsen]] ([[User talk:TArntsen|talk]]) 13:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
which doesn't seem to be from an ND disk. However, the very beginning looks like an ND disk (the first page of bytes) [[User:TArntsen|TArntsen]] ([[User talk:TArntsen|talk]]) 13:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)
: Yes, the disk is larger than the image, so there is probably garbage / previous content at the end. [[User:Tingo|Torfinn]] ([[User talk:Tingo|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
: Yes, the disk is larger than the image, so there is probably garbage / previous content at the end. [[User:Tingo|Torfinn]] ([[User talk:Tingo|talk]]) 20:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
::I see. The masterblock (the first page) looks fine up to, I think, byte 1452, after that it's just zeroes, except for one strange "DOS" somewhere in there (the bootloader section is supposed to go on a bit longer):
000580: CC 4C 28 F3 21 D2 CC 62 86 79 FF F0 51 FD F6 28    .L(.!..b.y..Q..(
000590: F1 F0 08 FC D1 0D FA BD A8 05 F6 F8 D1 0D 70 05    ..............p.
0005a0: CC 62 40 F4 A8 F8 AA 02 00 FF 84 84 00 00 00 00    .b@.............
0005b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000600: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000610: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000620: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 45 00 00 00    ............E...
000630: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000640: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000650: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000660: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000670: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000680: 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01    ................
000690: 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 35 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00    .......5........
0006a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 20 9D 00 00 00 1E    .......... .....
0006b0: 00 00 00 00 00 FF FF FF 00 FF FF FE FF FF FF FF    ................
0006c0: 44 4F 53 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    DOS.............
0006d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0006e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0006f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000700: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000710: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000720: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000730: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000740: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000750: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000760: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000770: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000780: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000790: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000800:                                                   
The directory entry should have been in the last 48 bytes (as this is SINTRAN III version M, otherwise the last 32 bytes), and you should see the directory name there, as in my own image:
0007e0: 50 41 43 4B 2D 4F 4E 45 27 45 27 00 00 00 00 00    PACK-ONE'E'.....
0007f0: 40 00 77 FC 40 00 77 FE 00 00 77 2E 00 00 00 7E    @.w.@.w...w....~
000800:
[[User:TArntsen|TArntsen]] ([[User talk:TArntsen|talk]]) 05:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)

Revision as of 05:56, 6 May 2023

Hiya, I was going to ask if you have image files of these floppies, as I would like to start working on the emulator again, and especially the floppy and hdd emulation and system booting process. Roger (talk) 16:44, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

I do, but I got these from someone else, and I don't know if I can share the link publically. Please check your email (I hope your email address from the nd100em mailinglist still works). --Torfinn (talk) 19:29, 13 July 2016 (UTC)
If that email doesn't work I can get you two in contact. Roger, take a look at this site. Datormuseum.se --Gandalf (talk) 23:43, 13 July 2016 (UTC)

Disk image

In that image I see things like e.g.

139590: 2F 53 79 73 74 65 6D 2E 6D 61 70 2F 53 79 73 74/   System.map/Syst
395a0:  65 6D 2E 6D 61 70 2D 31 2E 32 2E 31 33 70 6C 31    em.map-1.2.13pl1
1395b0: 30 2E 67 7A 0A 2D 72 2D 2D 20 39 36 2F 30 34 2F    0.gz.-r-- 96/04/
1395c0: 30 34 2D 31 32 3A 31 38 20 20 20 33 34 35 39 37    04-12:18   34597
1395d0: 20 76 31 2E 32 2F 53 79 73 74 65 6D 2E 6D 61 70     v1.2/System.map
1395e0: 2F 53 79 73 74 65 6D 2E 6D 61 70 2D 31 2E 32 2E    /System.map-1.2.

which doesn't seem to be from an ND disk. However, the very beginning looks like an ND disk (the first page of bytes) TArntsen (talk) 13:44, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Yes, the disk is larger than the image, so there is probably garbage / previous content at the end. Torfinn (talk) 20:08, 5 May 2023 (UTC)
I see. The masterblock (the first page) looks fine up to, I think, byte 1452, after that it's just zeroes, except for one strange "DOS" somewhere in there (the bootloader section is supposed to go on a bit longer):
000580: CC 4C 28 F3 21 D2 CC 62 86 79 FF F0 51 FD F6 28    .L(.!..b.y..Q..(
000590: F1 F0 08 FC D1 0D FA BD A8 05 F6 F8 D1 0D 70 05    ..............p.
0005a0: CC 62 40 F4 A8 F8 AA 02 00 FF 84 84 00 00 00 00    .b@.............
0005b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0005f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000600: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000610: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000620: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 45 00 00 00    ............E...
000630: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000640: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000650: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000660: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000670: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000680: 00 00 00 10 00 00 00 80 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01    ................
000690: 00 00 00 01 00 00 00 35 00 00 00 02 00 00 00 00    .......5........
0006a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 02 00 00 20 9D 00 00 00 1E    .......... .....
0006b0: 00 00 00 00 00 FF FF FF 00 FF FF FE FF FF FF FF    ................
0006c0: 44 4F 53 03 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    DOS.............
0006d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0006e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0006f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000700: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000710: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000720: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000730: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000740: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000750: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000760: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000770: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000780: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000790: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
0007f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00    ................
000800:                                                    

The directory entry should have been in the last 48 bytes (as this is SINTRAN III version M, otherwise the last 32 bytes), and you should see the directory name there, as in my own image:

0007e0: 50 41 43 4B 2D 4F 4E 45 27 45 27 00 00 00 00 00    PACK-ONE'E'.....
0007f0: 40 00 77 FC 40 00 77 FE 00 00 77 2E 00 00 00 7E    @.w.@.w...w....~
000800:

TArntsen (talk) 05:56, 6 May 2023 (UTC)